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	<title>Comments on: Mark Seal on Kenya in Vanity Fair: bad implications and dead ends</title>
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		<title>By: Timothy Cleaveland</title>
		<link>http://globalcomment.com/2008/mark-seal-on-kenya-in-vanity-fair-bad-implications-and-dead-ends/comment-page-1/#comment-5268</link>
		<dc:creator>Timothy Cleaveland</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 28 Sep 2009 22:13:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Natalie has it right-- Mark Seal&#039;s article expresses the colonial prejudices of Lord Delamere. But my comment is more about Frank Coates&#039; comment, which is far more racist than Seal&#039;s article, and even less informed by history.

I am a historian specializing in Africa, and it is clear to me that Mr. Coates doesn&#039;t know much history. The European nations that invaded and colonized Africa, mainly in the late nineteenth century, did not slaughter Africans with their machine guns in order to &#039;tame&#039; them. Nor did they beat them or cut off their hands and feet in order to tame them. Nor did they dispossess them of their land to tame them. Instead, they did all that to make money.

Just as in the Americas in earlier centuries, Europeans invaded Africa in order to secure sources of raw materials and protected markets for their industrial products. In some parts of the continent they used forced labor and taxation to get Africans to produce cash crops for the international market, and then forced them to sell these commodities at below market prices to colonial marketing boards. That&#039;s why they built railroads, with coerced or forced African and Asian laborers. Across the continent, Africans who resisted forced labor were beaten by their new colonial masters. In the Congo, the new masters cut off the hands or feet of Africans who did not collect their quota of latex for their Belgian rubber tycoons.

In other parts of Africa, the colonial governments gave away vasts tracts of African land to European settlers, who then established plantations. Of course, these plantations required lots of labor. So Africans had to work on these European plantations for the privilege of staying on the land that the settlers had just stolen from them--- the settlers called these African laborers &#039;squatters&#039;. And those Africans who had not lost their land to the settlers were forbidden to produce the cash crops that the settlers wanted to produce, in order to protect the latter from competition. Such was the case in the settler colonies such as Kenya, Algeria, Rhodesia and South Africa, to name a few. 

In the case of Kenya, none of these settler plantations were seized at independence, in part because Jomo Kenyatta feared economic retaliation from Britain and capital flight. Many settlers sold their plantations and Kenya went into debt to buy many of these. Other settlers remained, and many of these learned to respect their African countrymen. Others, like the latest Lord Delamere, have clung to their colonial racism.

It&#039;s one thing to expect impoverished Africans to accept colonial-era settlers who still profit from their vast stolen estates--- but it&#039;s quite another to have to listen to the stupid lie that these lands were stolen from Africans in order to tame or civilize them.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Natalie has it right&#8211; Mark Seal&#8217;s article expresses the colonial prejudices of Lord Delamere. But my comment is more about Frank Coates&#8217; comment, which is far more racist than Seal&#8217;s article, and even less informed by history.</p>
<p>I am a historian specializing in Africa, and it is clear to me that Mr. Coates doesn&#8217;t know much history. The European nations that invaded and colonized Africa, mainly in the late nineteenth century, did not slaughter Africans with their machine guns in order to &#8216;tame&#8217; them. Nor did they beat them or cut off their hands and feet in order to tame them. Nor did they dispossess them of their land to tame them. Instead, they did all that to make money.</p>
<p>Just as in the Americas in earlier centuries, Europeans invaded Africa in order to secure sources of raw materials and protected markets for their industrial products. In some parts of the continent they used forced labor and taxation to get Africans to produce cash crops for the international market, and then forced them to sell these commodities at below market prices to colonial marketing boards. That&#8217;s why they built railroads, with coerced or forced African and Asian laborers. Across the continent, Africans who resisted forced labor were beaten by their new colonial masters. In the Congo, the new masters cut off the hands or feet of Africans who did not collect their quota of latex for their Belgian rubber tycoons.</p>
<p>In other parts of Africa, the colonial governments gave away vasts tracts of African land to European settlers, who then established plantations. Of course, these plantations required lots of labor. So Africans had to work on these European plantations for the privilege of staying on the land that the settlers had just stolen from them&#8212; the settlers called these African laborers &#8217;squatters&#8217;. And those Africans who had not lost their land to the settlers were forbidden to produce the cash crops that the settlers wanted to produce, in order to protect the latter from competition. Such was the case in the settler colonies such as Kenya, Algeria, Rhodesia and South Africa, to name a few. </p>
<p>In the case of Kenya, none of these settler plantations were seized at independence, in part because Jomo Kenyatta feared economic retaliation from Britain and capital flight. Many settlers sold their plantations and Kenya went into debt to buy many of these. Other settlers remained, and many of these learned to respect their African countrymen. Others, like the latest Lord Delamere, have clung to their colonial racism.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s one thing to expect impoverished Africans to accept colonial-era settlers who still profit from their vast stolen estates&#8212; but it&#8217;s quite another to have to listen to the stupid lie that these lands were stolen from Africans in order to tame or civilize them.</p>
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		<title>By: Alberto</title>
		<link>http://globalcomment.com/2008/mark-seal-on-kenya-in-vanity-fair-bad-implications-and-dead-ends/comment-page-1/#comment-1139</link>
		<dc:creator>Alberto</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 28 Jul 2008 11:03:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Very late in the day, but Natalia is spot on here honestly. Frank, she is right. And the way the court case is going, &#039;Chumely&#039; might end up staying in prison for a very very long time, since Kenya has a poor history of hanging its convicted felons. But then again, the corruption in that country might just see the man given &#039;Presidential Amnesty&#039; for &#039;good behavior!&#039; Poor black savage, still a pawn even in his continent.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Very late in the day, but Natalia is spot on here honestly. Frank, she is right. And the way the court case is going, &#8216;Chumely&#8217; might end up staying in prison for a very very long time, since Kenya has a poor history of hanging its convicted felons. But then again, the corruption in that country might just see the man given &#8216;Presidential Amnesty&#8217; for &#8216;good behavior!&#8217; Poor black savage, still a pawn even in his continent.</p>
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		<title>By: Natalia Antonova</title>
		<link>http://globalcomment.com/2008/mark-seal-on-kenya-in-vanity-fair-bad-implications-and-dead-ends/comment-page-1/#comment-777</link>
		<dc:creator>Natalia Antonova</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 May 2008 14:26:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hmm, I put up an entire comment here, but then I realized that I can&#039;t engage in this debate in good faith.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hmm, I put up an entire comment here, but then I realized that I can&#8217;t engage in this debate in good faith.</p>
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		<title>By: Frank Coates</title>
		<link>http://globalcomment.com/2008/mark-seal-on-kenya-in-vanity-fair-bad-implications-and-dead-ends/comment-page-1/#comment-775</link>
		<dc:creator>Frank Coates</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 08 May 2008 23:49:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>There you go again Natalia, ignoring history. Guess what? The allies DID effectively colonise both east and west Germany after the war. 
But that&#039;s irrelevant. My point is, quite simply, by any reasonable measure, Africa was a wild place back there in the 19th C. I didn&#039;t use the word savagery but it&#039;s true that it can be found all around the world, even today. 
To put my argument another way: a person&#039;s ethnicity is no guarantee of his/her morals or ethics. Hitler was evil and, sadly for his people, so is Robert Mugabe. 
And by the way, other than not agreeing with your point of view, what makes you think I&#039;m not a &#039;scary nonwhite person&#039; myself?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There you go again Natalia, ignoring history. Guess what? The allies DID effectively colonise both east and west Germany after the war.<br />
But that&#8217;s irrelevant. My point is, quite simply, by any reasonable measure, Africa was a wild place back there in the 19th C. I didn&#8217;t use the word savagery but it&#8217;s true that it can be found all around the world, even today.<br />
To put my argument another way: a person&#8217;s ethnicity is no guarantee of his/her morals or ethics. Hitler was evil and, sadly for his people, so is Robert Mugabe.<br />
And by the way, other than not agreeing with your point of view, what makes you think I&#8217;m not a &#8217;scary nonwhite person&#8217; myself?</p>
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		<title>By: Natalia Antonova</title>
		<link>http://globalcomment.com/2008/mark-seal-on-kenya-in-vanity-fair-bad-implications-and-dead-ends/comment-page-1/#comment-771</link>
		<dc:creator>Natalia Antonova</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 08 May 2008 06:26:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Frank, by your own logic - colonizing Germany after WWII would have been the right thing to do. Because if you want to talk about savagery, most human achievements in that department pale in comparison to the Third Reich. You probably don&#039;t think that Germans deserve to have their own nation right now, correct...?

Or, considering the behaviour of the entire planet, you&#039;re probably yearning for the day that space aliens colonize all of us, no? 

However, something tells me that you believe that only scary nonwhite people should get that kind of treatment.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Frank, by your own logic &#8211; colonizing Germany after WWII would have been the right thing to do. Because if you want to talk about savagery, most human achievements in that department pale in comparison to the Third Reich. You probably don&#8217;t think that Germans deserve to have their own nation right now, correct&#8230;?</p>
<p>Or, considering the behaviour of the entire planet, you&#8217;re probably yearning for the day that space aliens colonize all of us, no? </p>
<p>However, something tells me that you believe that only scary nonwhite people should get that kind of treatment.</p>
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		<title>By: belledame222</title>
		<link>http://globalcomment.com/2008/mark-seal-on-kenya-in-vanity-fair-bad-implications-and-dead-ends/comment-page-1/#comment-769</link>
		<dc:creator>belledame222</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 08 May 2008 05:31:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Amanda Marcotte. I’m sorry to have to say it, but I’m positive I’m not the only one thinking that you really are jealous of other people’s careers/&quot;

Yes; clearly we all -want- to be the Richard Nixon of the feminist blogosphere. 

Look, is there ever any point where y&#039;all consider that people might actually mean what they&#039;re actually saying? that just because YOU don&#039;t see ___ as racist doesn&#039;t mean everyone has to agree with you?  particularly the people on the receiving end?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Amanda Marcotte. I’m sorry to have to say it, but I’m positive I’m not the only one thinking that you really are jealous of other people’s careers/&#8221;</p>
<p>Yes; clearly we all -want- to be the Richard Nixon of the feminist blogosphere. </p>
<p>Look, is there ever any point where y&#8217;all consider that people might actually mean what they&#8217;re actually saying? that just because YOU don&#8217;t see ___ as racist doesn&#8217;t mean everyone has to agree with you?  particularly the people on the receiving end?</p>
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		<title>By: belledame222</title>
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		<dc:creator>belledame222</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 08 May 2008 05:23:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>oh, BRA-vo.  &quot;it&#039;s not racism! they really ARE savages!&quot;  

you know, here&#039;s where one probably ought to explain Colonialism And Its Legacy 101, but I&#039;m all out of &#039;splaininess tonight, so &quot;pull my finger, Frank&quot; is just going to have to do, I&#039;m afraid.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>oh, BRA-vo.  &#8220;it&#8217;s not racism! they really ARE savages!&#8221;  </p>
<p>you know, here&#8217;s where one probably ought to explain Colonialism And Its Legacy 101, but I&#8217;m all out of &#8217;splaininess tonight, so &#8220;pull my finger, Frank&#8221; is just going to have to do, I&#8217;m afraid.</p>
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		<title>By: Frank Coates</title>
		<link>http://globalcomment.com/2008/mark-seal-on-kenya-in-vanity-fair-bad-implications-and-dead-ends/comment-page-1/#comment-766</link>
		<dc:creator>Frank Coates</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 08 May 2008 02:17:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Paranoia? 
In her exhuberance to unearth racist remarks and stereotypes, perhaps Natalia has lost the plot just a little. If Africa circa 19th century with its ethnic wars, slave-trading (by blacks and others), genocide, enslavement (sexual and otherwise) of prisoners of war and wholesale rape and pillage between the various tribes doesn&#039;t constitute a wild country needing to be tamed, I don&#039;t know what is. And all of this before the coming of the white settlers and not to mention the (very) wild carnivors. 
Be vigilant in your search for discriminatory reporting by all means, but pul-ease, take note of history.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Paranoia?<br />
In her exhuberance to unearth racist remarks and stereotypes, perhaps Natalia has lost the plot just a little. If Africa circa 19th century with its ethnic wars, slave-trading (by blacks and others), genocide, enslavement (sexual and otherwise) of prisoners of war and wholesale rape and pillage between the various tribes doesn&#8217;t constitute a wild country needing to be tamed, I don&#8217;t know what is. And all of this before the coming of the white settlers and not to mention the (very) wild carnivors.<br />
Be vigilant in your search for discriminatory reporting by all means, but pul-ease, take note of history.</p>
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		<title>By: Keira</title>
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		<dc:creator>Keira</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 07 May 2008 10:32:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>At the very least, Natalia asked some good questions here. I haven&#039;t heard of Mark Seal before, but it&#039;s obvious that article was in poor taste. Is it helpful to talk about it? I think so, yes.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>At the very least, Natalia asked some good questions here. I haven&#8217;t heard of Mark Seal before, but it&#8217;s obvious that article was in poor taste. Is it helpful to talk about it? I think so, yes.</p>
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		<title>By: Natalia Antonova</title>
		<link>http://globalcomment.com/2008/mark-seal-on-kenya-in-vanity-fair-bad-implications-and-dead-ends/comment-page-1/#comment-759</link>
		<dc:creator>Natalia Antonova</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 07 May 2008 08:04:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sandi, as we agreed earlier, this isn&#039;t The Amanda Marcotte show, plain and simple. &quot;Going after&quot; someone implies some sort of personal vendetta. This is not the case here.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sandi, as we agreed earlier, this isn&#8217;t The Amanda Marcotte show, plain and simple. &#8220;Going after&#8221; someone implies some sort of personal vendetta. This is not the case here.</p>
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