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		<title>By: David Zukerman</title>
		<link>http://globalcomment.com/2009/on-the-10th-anniversary-of-kubricks-passing-spartacus/comment-page-1/#comment-5049</link>
		<dc:creator>David Zukerman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 06 Sep 2009 01:05:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>All right. Here&#039;s the rest of the scene  just submitted as comment.

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Next we see the IBers engaged in their post-mortem work.

We see Bear, staring at a stripped corpse,  whose back  is turned to the camera.

Suddenly Bear stands up. puts his cap on and says:

Yiskadal,ve- yiskadash, shmay rabo.  (He is reciting the Jewish prayer for the dead.  The Kaddish.)

Raines:    He really was one of you guys,, wasn&#039;t he??

Bear.  Continuing the prayer, nods yes,  Tears begin to emerge.   He finishes the prayer. Stands over the body a moment.  Picks up his rifle -- then his club, and moves out .</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>All right. Here&#8217;s the rest of the scene  just submitted as comment.</p>
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<p>Next we see the IBers engaged in their post-mortem work.</p>
<p>We see Bear, staring at a stripped corpse,  whose back  is turned to the camera.</p>
<p>Suddenly Bear stands up. puts his cap on and says:</p>
<p>Yiskadal,ve- yiskadash, shmay rabo.  (He is reciting the Jewish prayer for the dead.  The Kaddish.)</p>
<p>Raines:    He really was one of you guys,, wasn&#8217;t he??</p>
<p>Bear.  Continuing the prayer, nods yes,  Tears begin to emerge.   He finishes the prayer. Stands over the body a moment.  Picks up his rifle &#8212; then his club, and moves out .</p>
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		<title>By: David Zukerman</title>
		<link>http://globalcomment.com/2009/on-the-10th-anniversary-of-kubricks-passing-spartacus/comment-page-1/#comment-5048</link>
		<dc:creator>David Zukerman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 06 Sep 2009 00:51:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>OK. Anyone see Charlton Heston as Col. Dax. Didn&#039;t think so.   (Not that there is anything wrong with Charlton Heston.)

Kirk as Ben H?  Tres interessant.  Well, that means  as Moshe rabbeinu, too.  (Ten Commandments.  Perhaps that movie shoulda been called &quot;Exodus?&quot;)

How about this?  Kirk in those movies and Charlton in, say,
Last Train from Gun Hill.  

I am no cineaste.  Proof:  Will never understand what 
&quot;2001: A Space Odyssey&quot; (yikes, already eight years past in 
real time) is all about.

Never saw Barry London -- will never cease being enthralled by &quot;Paths of Glory.&quot;    Hmm. Filmed black/white.

Did Quentin think he would seem  a tad too  much under the Kubrick influence if he did  IB in b/w?   Is there a Stanley/Quentin book out, yet?

Learned about Field Marshal Milch in the course of my post-IB googling. He had Jewish ancestry and served as a top Luftwaffe  aide to Goering.  There is a book claiming  some 150,000 part-Jews in Hitler&#039;s military.

Wow, we coulda had Bear about to club a Wehrmacht soldaten and just before Bear moves in the guy says:
&quot;Shema Yisroel...: (Hear O Israel, the Lord, our G-d, the Lord is One.&quot; ) Bear pauses. Asks German what he is doing?. German says (with another IBer translating) &quot;I&#039;m  saying the Shema before I die.&quot;

Bear:  You&#039;re (bleeping) doing what?

German.  Saying the Shema before you kill me.

Bear.  How  the (bleep) do you know about   the Shema ?

German.( Hesitating, trembling, and then, as he weeps)  &quot;Ich bin Jude.&quot;

Bear. (No need to wait for translation of that) You are WHAT?

German.  Please don&#039;t tell anyone -- I&#039;m a Jew.  My mother was Jewish. Before Hitler, I learned trhe &quot;Shema&quot; in &quot;cheder.&quot;

Bear.   Lieutenant, didja u hear that?  This sumbitch not only says he&#039;s a Yid, says he went to Hebrew school. Now what the (bleep) what?

Lieutenant.  Bear?  Your call.  But he did -- if I understand it right -- say the words he needed to, to meet his Maker....
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Wasn&#039;t there a scene in &quot;Sands of Iwo Jima&quot; where a marine says the Shema before he dies?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>OK. Anyone see Charlton Heston as Col. Dax. Didn&#8217;t think so.   (Not that there is anything wrong with Charlton Heston.)</p>
<p>Kirk as Ben H?  Tres interessant.  Well, that means  as Moshe rabbeinu, too.  (Ten Commandments.  Perhaps that movie shoulda been called &#8220;Exodus?&#8221;)</p>
<p>How about this?  Kirk in those movies and Charlton in, say,<br />
Last Train from Gun Hill.  </p>
<p>I am no cineaste.  Proof:  Will never understand what<br />
&#8220;2001: A Space Odyssey&#8221; (yikes, already eight years past in<br />
real time) is all about.</p>
<p>Never saw Barry London &#8212; will never cease being enthralled by &#8220;Paths of Glory.&#8221;    Hmm. Filmed black/white.</p>
<p>Did Quentin think he would seem  a tad too  much under the Kubrick influence if he did  IB in b/w?   Is there a Stanley/Quentin book out, yet?</p>
<p>Learned about Field Marshal Milch in the course of my post-IB googling. He had Jewish ancestry and served as a top Luftwaffe  aide to Goering.  There is a book claiming  some 150,000 part-Jews in Hitler&#8217;s military.</p>
<p>Wow, we coulda had Bear about to club a Wehrmacht soldaten and just before Bear moves in the guy says:<br />
&#8220;Shema Yisroel&#8230;: (Hear O Israel, the Lord, our G-d, the Lord is One.&#8221; ) Bear pauses. Asks German what he is doing?. German says (with another IBer translating) &#8220;I&#8217;m  saying the Shema before I die.&#8221;</p>
<p>Bear:  You&#8217;re (bleeping) doing what?</p>
<p>German.  Saying the Shema before you kill me.</p>
<p>Bear.  How  the (bleep) do you know about   the Shema ?</p>
<p>German.( Hesitating, trembling, and then, as he weeps)  &#8220;Ich bin Jude.&#8221;</p>
<p>Bear. (No need to wait for translation of that) You are WHAT?</p>
<p>German.  Please don&#8217;t tell anyone &#8212; I&#8217;m a Jew.  My mother was Jewish. Before Hitler, I learned trhe &#8220;Shema&#8221; in &#8220;cheder.&#8221;</p>
<p>Bear.   Lieutenant, didja u hear that?  This sumbitch not only says he&#8217;s a Yid, says he went to Hebrew school. Now what the (bleep) what?</p>
<p>Lieutenant.  Bear?  Your call.  But he did &#8212; if I understand it right &#8212; say the words he needed to, to meet his Maker&#8230;.<br />
&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8211;</p>
<p>Wasn&#8217;t there a scene in &#8220;Sands of Iwo Jima&#8221; where a marine says the Shema before he dies?</p>
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		<title>By: GlobalComment &#187; On the 10th Anniversary of Kubrick&#8217;s Passing: &#8220;Lolita&#8221;</title>
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		<dc:creator>GlobalComment &#187; On the 10th Anniversary of Kubrick&#8217;s Passing: &#8220;Lolita&#8221;</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Sep 2009 21:21:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] The previous installment in the Stanley Kubrick (1928-1999) retrospective discusses &#8220;Spartacus.&#8221; [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Gloria</title>
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		<dc:creator>Gloria</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 13 Aug 2009 20:05:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks for your comment, Mark. It&#039;s only that I often come accross comments upon actors who yearn to play a good part as a negative example of how egotistic they are, when, well... if they preferred fishing to a good part they wouldn&#039;t  have become actors but fishermen, probably. However, you needed something beyond ego, you needed talent as well: Spartacus is brimming with acting talent of different schools and I think it&#039;s all the better picture for that. I&#039;d pick Douglas as a leading man over Tom Cruise, anyway.

I think that directors also like to be independent about the movies they make and like the films to, &quot;belong&quot; to them, and that this is ego-driven, as well, but, contrarely to what I usually read about actors, it is presented as something positive.

To me, an actor&#039;s ego is as legitimate as a director&#039;s ego, and if these agos help bringing good performances and good pictures that is fine for me (I regard egos as negative if they produce the contrary), and many Kubrick&#039;s filma are enhanced by good acting work (apart from Spartacus, think of James Mason or Peter Sellers).

IMHO, one of the best example of a director controlling his films (in their overall filmography) is Hitchcock. Or Stroheim! In spite of most of his films surviving in non-director cuts, his style mightily survives the imposed editing.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for your comment, Mark. It&#8217;s only that I often come accross comments upon actors who yearn to play a good part as a negative example of how egotistic they are, when, well&#8230; if they preferred fishing to a good part they wouldn&#8217;t  have become actors but fishermen, probably. However, you needed something beyond ego, you needed talent as well: Spartacus is brimming with acting talent of different schools and I think it&#8217;s all the better picture for that. I&#8217;d pick Douglas as a leading man over Tom Cruise, anyway.</p>
<p>I think that directors also like to be independent about the movies they make and like the films to, &#8220;belong&#8221; to them, and that this is ego-driven, as well, but, contrarely to what I usually read about actors, it is presented as something positive.</p>
<p>To me, an actor&#8217;s ego is as legitimate as a director&#8217;s ego, and if these agos help bringing good performances and good pictures that is fine for me (I regard egos as negative if they produce the contrary), and many Kubrick&#8217;s filma are enhanced by good acting work (apart from Spartacus, think of James Mason or Peter Sellers).</p>
<p>IMHO, one of the best example of a director controlling his films (in their overall filmography) is Hitchcock. Or Stroheim! In spite of most of his films surviving in non-director cuts, his style mightily survives the imposed editing.</p>
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		<title>By: Mark Farnsworth</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mark Farnsworth</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 12 Aug 2009 22:57:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks for your comment. I don&#039;t think I was trying to make that argument but if it isn&#039;t clear I&#039;ll quote Douglas in his own words-(showing up Wyler) &quot;that was what spurred me to do it, in a childish way-the I&#039;ll-show-them sort of thing.&quot;

Both Kubrick and Douglas made films outside the system but I would argue that Kubrick above anyone-even Spielberg today had the most control of any American film maker. 

I would have thought to be a movie star both then and now that vanity and a huge ego are a prerequisite to success. I would also think that they would be pretty high on the list of most directors.

I mean in basic terms Douglas is like the kid who writes the school play so he can play the lead and I&#039;m sure Kubrick purchased his material so he could direct it himself. If we&#039;re honest wouldn&#039;t we do the same Gloria?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for your comment. I don&#8217;t think I was trying to make that argument but if it isn&#8217;t clear I&#8217;ll quote Douglas in his own words-(showing up Wyler) &#8220;that was what spurred me to do it, in a childish way-the I&#8217;ll-show-them sort of thing.&#8221;</p>
<p>Both Kubrick and Douglas made films outside the system but I would argue that Kubrick above anyone-even Spielberg today had the most control of any American film maker. </p>
<p>I would have thought to be a movie star both then and now that vanity and a huge ego are a prerequisite to success. I would also think that they would be pretty high on the list of most directors.</p>
<p>I mean in basic terms Douglas is like the kid who writes the school play so he can play the lead and I&#8217;m sure Kubrick purchased his material so he could direct it himself. If we&#8217;re honest wouldn&#8217;t we do the same Gloria?</p>
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		<title>By: Gloria</title>
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		<dc:creator>Gloria</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 12 Aug 2009 17:15:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;&quot;Kirk Douglas used Spartacus as the ultimate vanity project&quot;&lt;/i&gt;

So... When a director is able to produce his own films and/or choosing his own projects, that is someone conquering his freedom, but when an actor does likewise, he&#039;s a vain, egotist jerk.

Hum...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>&#8220;Kirk Douglas used Spartacus as the ultimate vanity project&#8221;</i></p>
<p>So&#8230; When a director is able to produce his own films and/or choosing his own projects, that is someone conquering his freedom, but when an actor does likewise, he&#8217;s a vain, egotist jerk.</p>
<p>Hum&#8230;</p>
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