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	<title>Comments on: The Magdalene slaves: immunity for religious orders must end</title>
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		<title>By: Paul Michael</title>
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		<dc:creator>Paul Michael</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 15 Feb 2010 22:41:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I was born in St Patricks in 1955. Fortunately I was adopted by my natural grandparents and grew up with them and my mother.

My mother is now 83 and years ago she partly told me about her time at St Patricks, having to scrub floors on her hands and knees right up to the time she gave birth to me. 

I&#039;m not sure who my father was, she said he was a baker, a married man. I can&#039;t seem to bring myself to ask her too much about myself, I feel I should just let things lie. 

I admit that I have always felt &quot;lonely&quot;, kind of unnatached.  My mum married a chap in 1959 he was  from a little place in Cheshire, called Neston.  I have 2 sisters, half sisters but I love them both to death. 
My Stepdad was a wonderful man, of course I didn&#039;t realise this until I had grown up and learned to appreciate that he had treated me as his own child and fed, clothed and protected me all through my childhood and youth.

He passed away when he was 69 years old and my poor old mum still misses him 15 years on, so do I.

My mum has never complained or spoken about St Patricks, she seemed to think of it as pennance for getting pregnant at the time. 

I still feel lost, I&#039;m a Grandfather of 55 myself now and wish that I&#039;d been able to pluck up the courage and  speak to my mum years ago when she was healthy and able to answer me. 

Ah well!! just thought I&#039;d write it down, don&#039;t feel any better though. xx</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I was born in St Patricks in 1955. Fortunately I was adopted by my natural grandparents and grew up with them and my mother.</p>
<p>My mother is now 83 and years ago she partly told me about her time at St Patricks, having to scrub floors on her hands and knees right up to the time she gave birth to me. </p>
<p>I&#8217;m not sure who my father was, she said he was a baker, a married man. I can&#8217;t seem to bring myself to ask her too much about myself, I feel I should just let things lie. </p>
<p>I admit that I have always felt &#8220;lonely&#8221;, kind of unnatached.  My mum married a chap in 1959 he was  from a little place in Cheshire, called Neston.  I have 2 sisters, half sisters but I love them both to death.<br />
My Stepdad was a wonderful man, of course I didn&#8217;t realise this until I had grown up and learned to appreciate that he had treated me as his own child and fed, clothed and protected me all through my childhood and youth.</p>
<p>He passed away when he was 69 years old and my poor old mum still misses him 15 years on, so do I.</p>
<p>My mum has never complained or spoken about St Patricks, she seemed to think of it as pennance for getting pregnant at the time. </p>
<p>I still feel lost, I&#8217;m a Grandfather of 55 myself now and wish that I&#8217;d been able to pluck up the courage and  speak to my mum years ago when she was healthy and able to answer me. </p>
<p>Ah well!! just thought I&#8217;d write it down, don&#8217;t feel any better though. xx</p>
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		<title>By: St Patricks Home</title>
		<link>http://globalcomment.com/2009/the-magdalene-slaves-immunity-for-religious-orders-must-end/comment-page-1/#comment-6026</link>
		<dc:creator>St Patricks Home</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 07 Dec 2009 03:50:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I was put into a mother and baby home when I was 18, St Patrick&#039;s home, Navan Rd. I was emotionally and phycially abused. I am now nearly 50, and my experience in the home ruined my life. When I applied to the redress board about 5 years ago, I was told that because I was 18, and when in there voluntary, I was not entitled to compensation. The thing is, my mother put me in, with the treat that I&#039;d be on the streets if I didn&#039;t go.
Just my story..........</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I was put into a mother and baby home when I was 18, St Patrick&#8217;s home, Navan Rd. I was emotionally and phycially abused. I am now nearly 50, and my experience in the home ruined my life. When I applied to the redress board about 5 years ago, I was told that because I was 18, and when in there voluntary, I was not entitled to compensation. The thing is, my mother put me in, with the treat that I&#8217;d be on the streets if I didn&#8217;t go.<br />
Just my story&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;.</p>
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		<title>By: Andrew</title>
		<link>http://globalcomment.com/2009/the-magdalene-slaves-immunity-for-religious-orders-must-end/comment-page-1/#comment-5864</link>
		<dc:creator>Andrew</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 28 Nov 2009 21:31:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>There is a moral compunction on the religious orders/rogue employers to pay up. All wages including holiday and pension money must be paid.  The only thing these religious orders/rogue employers were ever protective of was money.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There is a moral compunction on the religious orders/rogue employers to pay up. All wages including holiday and pension money must be paid.  The only thing these religious orders/rogue employers were ever protective of was money.</p>
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		<title>By: Lisa Miller</title>
		<link>http://globalcomment.com/2009/the-magdalene-slaves-immunity-for-religious-orders-must-end/comment-page-1/#comment-5539</link>
		<dc:creator>Lisa Miller</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 27 Oct 2009 18:02:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have just recently, within the last month, learned of the horror story of that which is the Magdalene&#039;s. I am in the US, however I am of Irish heritage and it disgusts me that I am related in anyway to those who could do such horrible things to people in general, let alone people who needed help! I have done alot of research and I think it&#039;s everyones job to atleast offer some type of support to the Magdalene survivors! Everyone thinks of money when they think of support..these women need counseling or any kind gesture one can offer them! I can not offer them money, because I am a pre-med and a nursing major in college with diabetes and my insulin is expensive. However I will offer anyone needing emotional support help! We all need to think outside the box and the officals in Ireland need to realize that it was a horrible happening that they allowed and the Catholic Chruch needs to address it as well. We are all accountable for our actions and so are they!

My thoughts and prayers are with the Magdalene survivors and may God forgive those who harmed the Magdalene&#039;s, because God does know I sure won&#039;t!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have just recently, within the last month, learned of the horror story of that which is the Magdalene&#8217;s. I am in the US, however I am of Irish heritage and it disgusts me that I am related in anyway to those who could do such horrible things to people in general, let alone people who needed help! I have done alot of research and I think it&#8217;s everyones job to atleast offer some type of support to the Magdalene survivors! Everyone thinks of money when they think of support..these women need counseling or any kind gesture one can offer them! I can not offer them money, because I am a pre-med and a nursing major in college with diabetes and my insulin is expensive. However I will offer anyone needing emotional support help! We all need to think outside the box and the officals in Ireland need to realize that it was a horrible happening that they allowed and the Catholic Chruch needs to address it as well. We are all accountable for our actions and so are they!</p>
<p>My thoughts and prayers are with the Magdalene survivors and may God forgive those who harmed the Magdalene&#8217;s, because God does know I sure won&#8217;t!</p>
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		<title>By: Mari Steed</title>
		<link>http://globalcomment.com/2009/the-magdalene-slaves-immunity-for-religious-orders-must-end/comment-page-1/#comment-5407</link>
		<dc:creator>Mari Steed</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 Oct 2009 12:34:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Let&#039;s be honest here: yes, it is primarily the fiscal responsibility of State and Church to insure Magdalene survivors receive justice.  But at the end of the day, Irish society was also aware and complicit in the remanding of young girls and women to these gulags.  Many families were responsible for sending their daughters into a lifetime of servitude.

This is why our path to justice has been such a hard one.  Irish society must own up to its own culpability in the history of the Magdalene Laundries, or we will never be able to move forward.  I understand that the authorities -- State, Church, Gardai, Courts -- must bear the majority brunt.  But at the end of the day, we must all be accountable for this injustice.

If Irish citizens do not wish to bear the burden of potential redress, then I urge you to help us in our campaign to fight for justice for survivors and keep pressure firmly on State and Church.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Let&#8217;s be honest here: yes, it is primarily the fiscal responsibility of State and Church to insure Magdalene survivors receive justice.  But at the end of the day, Irish society was also aware and complicit in the remanding of young girls and women to these gulags.  Many families were responsible for sending their daughters into a lifetime of servitude.</p>
<p>This is why our path to justice has been such a hard one.  Irish society must own up to its own culpability in the history of the Magdalene Laundries, or we will never be able to move forward.  I understand that the authorities &#8212; State, Church, Gardai, Courts &#8212; must bear the majority brunt.  But at the end of the day, we must all be accountable for this injustice.</p>
<p>If Irish citizens do not wish to bear the burden of potential redress, then I urge you to help us in our campaign to fight for justice for survivors and keep pressure firmly on State and Church.</p>
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		<title>By: More Odds and Ends &#171; Mixtapes for Hookers</title>
		<link>http://globalcomment.com/2009/the-magdalene-slaves-immunity-for-religious-orders-must-end/comment-page-1/#comment-5394</link>
		<dc:creator>More Odds and Ends &#171; Mixtapes for Hookers</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 07 Oct 2009 18:37:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] sickening report on the Magdalene slaves is very distressing indeed.  Wayward (or not even so wayward) Irish girls [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] sickening report on the Magdalene slaves is very distressing indeed.  Wayward (or not even so wayward) Irish girls [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Mór Rígan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mór Rígan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 07 Oct 2009 18:21:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I am well aware that it is the taxpayer&#039;s money which is why I&#039;ve written to the Taoiseach and Minister for Justice to expel the religious congregations from the country and seize their lands and records. Compensation would be paid from the proceeds.

It&#039;s not that far in the past. The last laundry closed in 1994 and ultimately that doesn&#039;t matter. The taxpayer is bailing out the banks, the property developers and giving golden parachutes to corrupt incompetent people. We can apologise to these women and ask them what they need. Maybe it&#039;ll be money, counselling, a gated community, or what ever they need. Maybe we can learn from the horrible treatment of the survivors of institutional abuse.

It was our parents, grandparents, cousins and relatives that purchased the lace and linen made by the slavery of these women. It was our clothes they washed. The clothes of the children who went to boarding school like Batt O Keeffe. So I think we do have a responsibility to ensure that they do not have to struggle at this stage of their lives.

How does one measure an appropriate amount to pay a slave? Nothing we do can make up for what happened.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am well aware that it is the taxpayer&#8217;s money which is why I&#8217;ve written to the Taoiseach and Minister for Justice to expel the religious congregations from the country and seize their lands and records. Compensation would be paid from the proceeds.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s not that far in the past. The last laundry closed in 1994 and ultimately that doesn&#8217;t matter. The taxpayer is bailing out the banks, the property developers and giving golden parachutes to corrupt incompetent people. We can apologise to these women and ask them what they need. Maybe it&#8217;ll be money, counselling, a gated community, or what ever they need. Maybe we can learn from the horrible treatment of the survivors of institutional abuse.</p>
<p>It was our parents, grandparents, cousins and relatives that purchased the lace and linen made by the slavery of these women. It was our clothes they washed. The clothes of the children who went to boarding school like Batt O Keeffe. So I think we do have a responsibility to ensure that they do not have to struggle at this stage of their lives.</p>
<p>How does one measure an appropriate amount to pay a slave? Nothing we do can make up for what happened.</p>
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		<title>By: Philip</title>
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		<dc:creator>Philip</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 07 Oct 2009 15:06:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Let&#039;s be clear about where the compensation would come from: It is not the goverment&#039;s money, it is tax payer&#039;s money. 

Should the current tax payer pay compensation for cruelty of the past by people many of whom have since died? 

Perhaps the most democratic thing to do would be to invite the people of Ireland to contribute individually, whatever they feel is appropriate and then distribute the pool of money to the victims. 

Additionally the wealthy, land-owning catholic institution that were responsible could be force to pay-up and sell their land where necessary.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Let&#8217;s be clear about where the compensation would come from: It is not the goverment&#8217;s money, it is tax payer&#8217;s money. </p>
<p>Should the current tax payer pay compensation for cruelty of the past by people many of whom have since died? </p>
<p>Perhaps the most democratic thing to do would be to invite the people of Ireland to contribute individually, whatever they feel is appropriate and then distribute the pool of money to the victims. </p>
<p>Additionally the wealthy, land-owning catholic institution that were responsible could be force to pay-up and sell their land where necessary.</p>
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